Sikhism·Siree Raag·Ashtapadee 5
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So Many Pandits and Astrologers Ponder the Vedas

ਕੇਤੇ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਜੋਤਕੀ ਬੇਦਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
kaytay pandit jotkee baydaa karahi beechaar.
There are so many Pandits and astrologers who ponder over the Vedas.
ਵਾਦਿ ਵਿਰੋਧਿ ਸਲਾਹਣੇ ਵਾਦੇ ਆਵਣੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥
vaad viroDh salaahnay vaaday aavan jaan.
They glorify their disputes and arguments, and in these controversies they continue coming and going.
ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਰਮ ਨ ਛੁਟਸੀ ਕਹਿ ਸੁਣਿ ਆਖਿ ਵਖਾਣੁ ॥੭॥
bin gur karam na chhutsee kahi sun aakh vakhaan. ||7||
Without the Guru, they are not released from their karma, although they speak and listen and preach and explain. ||7||

Translation by Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa

In plain words

There are so many Pandits and astrologers who ponder over the Vedas.

They praise their own quarrels and arguments. And in these quarrels, they keep coming and going.

They speak and listen and preach and explain. But without the Guru, they are not set free from their karma.

They speak, listen, preach, and explain — but without the Guru, the karma is not released.
The deeper layer

This one says that arguing about wisdom is not the same as being set free by it.

Kaytay pandit jotkee: there are so many scholars and astrologers, people who read the stars. They study the Vedas, the old holy books. But vaad viroDh salaahnay: they love their arguments and quarrels. And while they argue, they keep going around the circle of birth and death.

They do four things well: they speak, they listen, they preach and they explain. Yet bin gur karam na chhutsee: "without the Guru, they are not freed from their karma." Karma here means the knot of past actions that keeps us stuck.

Think of reading every book about swimming but never getting in the pool. The Guru is not an extra on top of study. The Guru is what turns study into real change.

A Question to Sit With

What is the difference between learning about transformation and being transformed? What has actually transformed you, versus what you've just learned about?

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